Every time the U.S. government attempts to clarify the biolabs in Ukraine, they end up making things less clear.
In the most recent example, Deborah Rosenbaum, the assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs, told the House subcommittee on Intelligence and Special Operations on Friday that “I can say to you unequivocally there are no offensive biologic weapons in the Ukraine laboratories that the United States has been involved with.”
In a fact sheet produced March 11, 2022, the U.S. Defense Department admitted to working with biological weapons facilities in Ukraine [LINK]. “The United States … has invested approximately $200 million in Ukraine since 2005, supporting 46 Ukrainian laboratories, health facilities, and diagnostic sites.”
As the current story is told the U.S. government was coordinating with the Ukraine government on biologic research facilities, many of which were left over from the former Soviet era. In/around the time the Russian invasion was feared, they worked quickly to destroy the pathogens, because they were worried what might happen if the Russians took control of the facilities.
This begs the obvious first question, if the U.S. Defense Department was working with Ukraine since 2005, and they could destroy the deadly pathogens in a few days before the conflict, why didn’t the Pentagon destroy them in the preceding 16 years?
The second question targets the issues that are more opaque. The DoD says the U.S. has not been involved in “offensive biological weapon” creation in Ukraine. Technically, all of the weapons in the U.S. military are classified as “defensive” weapons, ergo the Department of Defense. Every weapon is defensive until it is used; then, depending on the circumstances, the use of the weapon changes its classification to offensive. Why would biological weapons be any different?
By the current standard of Defense Department definitions, all of the biological weapons they might be working with Ukraine to develop would technically be classified defensive weapons. As a result, saying “there are no offensive biologic weapons” is a rather moot and irrelevant point.
Three points:
♦ Point One – Russia and the U.S. Pentagon both agree the U.S. government was working in Ukraine in biological weapons labs.
♦ Point Two – Both Russia and the U.S. admit these were/are deadly biological pathogens.
♦ Point Three – The biggest difference between the two positions is that Russia says these were offensive weapons, and the U.S/Ukraine saying these were defensive weapons.
The debate is not about whether the U.S. Defense Department was operating and funding biological weapons laboratories in Ukraine. The U.S. government has now made that admission. The debate is now about the purpose or intent of those weapons.
If Russia was investing in biological weapons labs in Mexico, and if the Russian military was working inside those labs along with Mexican government officials, I suspect the United States would conduct a special military operation in Mexico to remove that threat.
Who the hell could possibly believe anything that comes out of the pentagon, or any other biden agency for that matter?
So a subtle parsing nuance is used to delineate the guys with the so called noble harmless intentions (DoD, State Department, CIA and so forth) from the evil constantly being vilified Russians. A bioweapon is a bioweapon that is highly infective, wide spread and has one purpose which is to quickly incapacitate and kill those it’s directed against. Once dispersed it’s an offensive weapon and not like a deterrent with a delineated target and a stand down/self destruct switch. In addition, if these are old Russian labs, then why the expenditure to construct numerous new facilities when only one incineration disposal facility would have been required to safely destroy any deadly pathogens in those old labs. The answer is fairly obvious. Divert taxpayer dollars to conduct questionable, if not illegal/unethical, clandestine bioweapon R&D in a country away from scrutiny and where regulations and concerns can disappear over an under the table cash transaction. And if by change an accident (or so called test occurs), serious issues can be easily resolved by consulting with the local authorities and arranging electronic money transfers. Now combine this deep state Ukraine activity with the world wide push regarding the covid vaccines, that we know compromises the immune system, and we have the potential for a eugenic sycophant’s dream come true.
Unfortunately you are very correct in your post. BTW a very good one at that! Our government and the “left” are very good at deception. Now with that said I’ll say, not that good tofree thinking people. We’ve seen and heard enough from these people for quite a few years now and it’s getting old! They actually think we’re stupid enough to believe the parsing of words and their lies. Offensive, defensive? Gimme a break.
Don’t ya just wish these people would just go away?
…except that their deceits,
are in part, helping to grow the peoples’ awareness and dissents (against their deceits etc).
[ to which the deceitful are motivated to avoid the consequence and, in part, tilt the scales of justice during elections (and in a variety of other matters…sc justice nominee…border defense… over spending / taxing…).]
Deb thinks she is really cute in using the word “offensive”, however, what really bothers me is I don’t see any Congressional members (of either party) rising up to challenge her word salad to make/force her into a definitive statement. It’s like everyone in the know in Washington gives a pass on certain realities.
It seems a lot of the females in government come forward nowadays lying in one way or the other with pleasure…might be due to the compensation packages they have tucked away from voter awareness.
“,…of EITHER PARTY,..”
THEREIN lies the problem with your comment.
Based on your comment, you really haven’t fully embraced an understanding of REALITY.
There are NOT “2 Parties”; there is only ONE party, with two wings.
And, just as a bird with one wing cannot fly, the Uniparty can only foreward its agenda, with both wings doing their part, and working in Unison.
Our war is NOT Rep vs Dem, or even Lib vs Cons;
our War is Globalist vs Nationalist.
As long as you cling to the outmoded, antiquated notion that WE have a “two-party system” you will continue to get screwed.
Its only by accepting the reality of the Uniparty, and focusing all our efforts against the stealth Republican wing, that we will achieve victory.
And, we have made MUCH progress; by exposing the true nature of Mitch, Ronna and the Decepticons to more and more Republican voters, they lose their “stealth” capability.
And, like a warplane once the stealth is GONE, they are easily shot down.
Take out the Republican wing of the Uniparty, and the Dems are easily defeated.
However, it is comments like yours which show that WE still have much work to do.
You’re right but the problem is even deeper than that.
Not only is the “2 Party System” a lie, the concept of “Left and Right” is fundamentally defective. You cannot describe reality with one dimension.
To illustrate: in my Perot organizer days, one of my compatriots who lived in a blue-collar world of mechanics and technicians used this as his opening: “Suppose I tell you I don’t care about abortion whatsoever. You could put the clinic on the middle school campus for all I care. But what I DO care about is pregnant teenaged gang girls living 100% on government bennies while blowing crack and drinking malt liquor”. Dropping another damaged child on the rest of us?
So what IF you don’t care about the “social issues” but think that damaged children calls for some intervention? When CPS in Liberalville does absolutely nothing about it and arguably even promotes it?
Most of the gearheads he used to talk to bought Bill Clinton’s BS and here we are, dependent on a Nazi-style regime in China thanks to “free trade”. (ANOTHER ghastly scam foisted upon us by “conservative” economists like Feldstein who scammed his way into the Reagan administration and Polecat Boskin with Bush 41–who actually said “it doesn’t matter whether you make computer chip or potato chips”.
I think in terms or a “civil rights dimension” and a “property rights dimension”. Right now the globalonials are in a frenzy to destroy property rights, coincidentally the same people are trying to destroy free speech too (“you’re anti-science!”).
Every once in while Ron Paul used to say some things that came close to a clearer articulation of these things, and the Total Government Gang lines up pretty well along with the globalonials. The big-city leftists are either too stupid or too corrupt to clear their minds and deviate from the globals in the interests of their own constituents.
But here’s a point of attack to start: “Climate Change” is actually China messing up our weather!
True: from 2014 but ignored by all MSM
https://today.tamu.edu/2014/01/21/asian-air-pollution-affecting-worlds-weather/
It’s Science!
I would just point out that you will never, ever, ever find a Democrat nationalist. They are few and far between in the GOP but they are unicorns in the Democrat party.
And, the location puts it righton Russias door step, and Russia is every bit as big an impediment to their plans, as PDJT.
In addition to developing bioweopons to effect HUMANS, there is also developing bioweopons to effect ANIMALS.
In that way, they can be an ECONOMIC weopon; release a bioengineered virus, like bird flu, that targets an enemies poultry, and forces the enemy to destroy its livestock, and it can have devastating consequences.
The obvious problem with this, is (just like with bioweopons targeting humans, eventually the virus will spread to effect your own.
The obvious answer is to bioengineer not only the virus, but a VACCINE.
Its the ONLY way a “bioweopon” makes “sense”; so whether aimed at livestock or humans, you can use it against your “enemy”, while vaccinating YOUR populace (or livestock) against it.
Fuaxis justification for Gain of Function research never made sense, which is why scientists involved in virology, universally rejected it as “too dangerous”, and risks outweigh benefits.
The ultimate justification, which they haven’t rolled out is; we know/believe “our enemies” are researching both bioweopons, and vaccines to protect themselves FROM the viruses.
Therefore, we HAVE to do the same research, so that IF they use the viruses against US, we will be able to protect OUR troops, citisenry and livestock, with vaccines that can be quickly “rolled out”.
THAT, ultimately will be their argument, surprised they haven’t gone there, already.
And, of coarse such an argument requires CREDIBILITY, it rests on a foundation of “Trust Us, we are doing this FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.”
Having shredded their credibility, this argument is NOT going to hold water.
Sure makes me wonder, about “bird flu”, “swine flu”, of coarse COVID, ebola and even HIV/AIDS, …
And, seriously doubting the official narrative, denying any link between vaccines and autism.
Dr. Malone, in his lengthy interview with Tucker, mentioned in passing that he went back and reviewed the available research.
Said ALL of the “gains” in controlling/suppressing “childhood illnesses” like measles/mumps/rubella in “developed countries” like U.S. and Western Europe, etc. can be fully explained by improvements in SANITATION.
Put plainly, its POSSIBLE NONE of the “childhood vaccines” we have been injecting kids with, have had ANY benefit, in which case even rare but serious side effects make their use totally innappropriate.
You certainly harp alot. Perhaps if you haven’t done so, go read my reply to Rumaggi further down the page. FYI effective bioweapons are designed to to be highly infective/virulent, incapacitate/kill quickly then dissipate. The gain of function covid-19 responsible for the initial infections and deaths fits that description because it targeted a specific demographic (older individuals and co-morbidity). The vaccines are a total different story that were used a a political tool. Note the vaccine manufactures, certain government agencies and the political hierarchy knew from the preliminary testing that they didn’t work and were not safe. That’s evident due to the government sealing the test results. The impact from the vaccines was not instantaneous but will be long term and possibly generational. That’s not a bioweapon but a eugenics tool. However, the covid-19 vaccines had one positive impact. They hastened the number of mutations which are usually more infective but less virulent than the original strain. With respect to your comment about no vaccines working, vaccines for polio (Salk) and small pox where given nationwide and they worked.
All it takes is a reporter with a modicum of spine and intelligence to press the DOD operative on the use of the word “offensuve” while indicating all weapons are deemed defensive and this charade gets exposed. Someone like Lara Logan has the stones to ask that nut of course our MSM cut off her tongue and deemed her “extreme”. I’m not expecting a docile pet like Doocey to do it. Someone needs to press these DOD/DOS bastards harder.
Maybe you should reread my post with a little more comprehension. FYI I’m mocking the US deep state for their parsing BS and abject lies about biolabs and bioweapons. They plus the entire Biden administration and RINOs are the problem that has resulted in today’s Ukraine situation. The ironic thing is that Russia seems to be more aligned with the solution than the problem given the ethnic demographics and geopolitical border history of the region. Now before you blow a gasket remember JFK did somewhat the same thing in Cuba to the Russians with respect to offensive weapons. Note that Biden was pushing for, either actually or via pysch ops, Ukraine’s NATO membership which would have resulted in offensive, most likely tactical nuclear, weapons on Russia’s doorstep. That was the line in the sand for Russia. On a positive note here’s what Russia has accomplished in the Ukraine.
(1) Halted the current Democrat money laundering apparatus.
(2) Threw a monkey wrench into the State Dept’s and CIA’s meddling in regional politics.
(3) Uncovered the clandestine biolabs including the deep state’s participation and the Biden’s corrupt financial political dealings.
(4) Exposed Zelinski as a puppet of the deep state.
(5) Exposed the modern day Ukrainian Nazis, their atrocities and Zelinski’s support of them.
(6) Delayed/postponed the globalist/EU agenda.
Yes, yes certainly that will help the situation……. LOL
Breitbart is really a propaganda hub for the Ukrainian Nazis. I tried posting a comment on a article showing mass civilian deaths by the so called “Russian aggression” I was only pointing out that this whole thing is a fake only to involve NATO in this conflict. We are living in desperate times!
P.S. And not a peep from Breitbart of Russian POW’s being shot at mercilessly by the Azov. I’m really pissed off!
Red State appears to do the same.
About a year and a half ago, Breitbart was bought out by a globalist/Fascist. I had been posting on the site for about eight years, or since the site’s inception, and then one day they multiple of my posts that mentioned S0r0s and banned my account. BB isn’t our friend now.
*then one day they deleted multiple…
Hardly ever visit Breitbart anymore, noticing they wouldn’t talk about a stolen election. And now it’s apparent they are like many other so called conservative sites. It’s about clicks and dollars. To hell with truth telling.
The DOD admitted to spending $200M since 2005 on these labs. I believe I saw reporting that the NIH and/or other agencies also spent money on these labs. As usual more obfuscation by the DOD and our government.
Don’t you wish “the rest of the story guy” was still with us? We only get what they want us to get. I’d lay money that way more than $200 M has been spent by multiple agencies and departments, and the graft was left out too!
Paul Harvey, and now here is “the rest of the story”.
It did a good job of connecting the dots of information- uhhh … often 10 to 30 years ‘after’ part of the story was public.
‘Good day.’
Frankly speaking,
Timely, complete news is appreciated. (hard to find, but there is getting to more new networks….)
https://home.frankspeech.com
Yeah Philly Fan-way more. Eventually this will tie in to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden who profited from these labs and Fauci who approved funding, and the machinations of our own State Department in Ukraine. Social media won’t censor this story anymore because the Biden’s have become political liabilities.
$200M was the taxpayer money that went to the “Big Guy”.
Fauxi reportedly oversaw the granting of $4 BILLION/year in funding of research.
And, you can bet most of it WASN’T spent on torturing beagles with sandflies.
They admit to 46 facilities in Ukraine, how many in Africa, China and Worldwide?
The individuals/entities mismanaging the “running of the World” for the last 100+ years, are being challenged. Ultimately they will be defeated.
This IS a good thing, although we may not like what replaces them, any better.
US WAR Department, from Aug 7, 1789 until Sept 18, 1947 when the name, but not the mission, was changed, because SYMANTECS can fool sheeple
Offensive… the left refer to my guns as “offensive”, my take on those same firearms is that they’re defensive. BTW, at this point, this administration has no credibility what so ever.
Right you are!
” and may I take this opportunity of emphasizing that there is no cannibalism in the British Navy. Absolutely none, and when I say none, I mean there is a certain amount, more than we are prepared to admit, but all new ratings are warned that if they wake up in the morning and find any toothmarks at all anywhere on their bodies, they’re to tell me immediately so that I can immediately take every measure to hush the whole thing up. And, finally, necrophilia is right out. …”
-Monty Python
I strongly encourage reading “The Putin Interviews” by Oliver Stone. Yep… the same liberal who brought you “Ukraine on Fire”. He’s one liberal who seems to see the forest through the trees and he’s doing his damnest to inform all of us much to his discredit with his liberal colleagues… to the point of being deplatformed and canceled himself. He’s a liberal, and I believe on more naive days, we would have stood opposed to one another. But now, I’m not so sure and I am not convinced Russia is our enemy. Read the book. We should always pay a close ear to the ones being canceled.
Any weapons system designed to kill people is by definition offensive.
We should believe everything Victoria Nuland said on this subject. After all, she was a major purveyor of the discredited Steele Dossier and acted as an additional conduit to spread that piece of disinformation.
“No Offensive Bioweapons…”
Bioweapons are bioweapons. What makes them “offensive” or not is how you use them. ANY weapon can be used offensively. There is ZERO reason to have or research bioweapons. They threten everyone, includint hose who want them to do evil. This wordplay is trash. The USA has BIOWEAPONS, and they admit it. THEY ARE IN VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW. And ethically, they are without reason. They are a danger to the world…. not the general public, but ALL those who support their corrupt government, who serve in the government, and the NAZI fascist communists who have seized power there.
Today, I am sad to be American. Not for the cause of America past, but the evil that our country and its resources are being used to accomplish against the whole world, including the american public.
So exactly what is a defensive biological weapon and how would it be used?
After he and his cronies got caught, Fauci started this Orwellian definition of a “defensive weapon” to justify using taxpayer dollars to help fund the gain of function research on bat viruses being done in conjunction with the Wuhan Lab, which gave the world the COVID-19 virus. He said we need to be “knowledgable” about biological weapon possibilities so that antidotes can be developed to save lives. It is one of the biggest lies of the century.
In reality it appears the real motive of the bioweapons development was to make $$billions from a vaccine they could dupe/force people into taking, which as it turns out, has minimal effectiveness. But it is still a cash cow for all the investors if they can force people to take boosters every 6 months. With no liability for adverse outcomes it is a sure thing for the investors, especially if they can keep the mandates going. The government did NOTHING to develop therapeutics. In fact, they moved quickly to make treatments that doctors and researchers came up with in the field illegal and unavailable. The Biden regime forced India to keep quiet about the effective interventions they used to eliminate the threat of the virus in one of their provinces when this area did not have access to vaccines. The vaccines are the big lie of this pandemic.
The dark truth is the government wanted millions of people to be killed. They needed FEAR as a tool to justify their “emergency measures” to rise to Totalitarianism, lock down the people, fine-tune surveillance and tracking technology, implement election fraud techniques, and get a head start on destroying middle class small businesses. The world depopulation also probably made Bill Gates and the NWO Globalist Elite happy. Apparently not enough people were killed by the virus to their liking though, which is why they and their propaganda media staff now seem to be gunning for a nuclear WW3.
probably ivermectin! Could have saved many lives against the offensive virus.
I was thinking this sarcastically but kinda makes sense – if it had been promoted it could have been an offensive weapon and my goodness we can’t have that!
Anything done by the “Defense Department” is “Defensive”. Even nuclear bombs and nerve gas. LOL! So, we’ve gone from “There are no US Biolabs” to “There are No USA FUNDED weapons biolabs” To ‘THere are No US Funded Offensive Weapons BioLabs”.
Meanwhile, the MSM has never budged from “Only CRRAAZY putin shills say there are USA biolabs”.
Schiff happens. It all depends on what the meaning os is is …
A two part answer to your simple question: (1) It is a whole lot easier to develop and test a vaccine or therapeutic to a pathogen if you have a sample of that agent. (2) Why has it taken them since 2005? Potential number of agents and or complexity of unwinding the engineering that produced the agents in the first place so counter measures can be developed and tested.
The simple answers do not discount the possibility of something nefarious going on in full or in part but always evaluate other perspectives to avoid faulty conclusions and miscalculations. This is especially important if trusted data is limited. “Truth is the first casualty of war.” This is not a trust but verify situation but a verify, verify, and verify again situation.
Some sketchy Schiff is goin’ on, that’s for sure.
Thanks to Sundance for clearing up the word games played by government officials e.g. defensive weapons are those not yet used while offensive weapons are those that have been used. Amazing government speak!
They are committing mass genocide in your face with their emergency countermeasures(COVID gene therapy injections), and we’re supposed to believe this is all being done to protect us from the enemy without?
Life insurance claims are skyrocketing 40% among working age(18-64 yr olds) and funeral home stocks are soaring because we the people are under an offensive attack by our own governments biological programs.
None of that is a reason to be sorry.
Being dis-illusioned is a very good thing because it actually means that the illusions are being set aside. Sounds like healthy thinking.
I have absolutely no interest in having faith in confirmed liars. I won’t try to do that and thus find it difficult; I will not even consider doing that.
This dying Republic is in the mess it’s in because, for at least fifty years, most voters have found a way to give liars a pass, give incompetents the benefit of the doubt, believe their endless explanations, tolerate their disrespect, and accept the short-term payoffs.
So here we are: the sun is setting on our Republic. Don’t be sorry. Think. And believe your lying eyes and ears.
Just a relevant repost.
But I’d still like to know why we had any US “Senator” involved in FOREIGN BioLab projects? Particularly Nobama c.2005.
Rosenbaum? Rosenblum? Every. Single. Time.
Bolsheviks are an issue…
She just meant the weapons were not offensive to her ultimate mission and loyalties.
When did Jamie Lee Curtis go to work for the DOD?
From “There are no biolabs!” to “Okay, they exist but they’re just doing normal medical research!” to “Okay, there’s bioweapons but they aren’t weaponized.” Guessing in 2-4 weeks we’ll find an black plague missile and an APC with a fire hose and internal storage tanks filled with anthrax where the infantry usually sit.
Sure and i have a bridge to sell you
The question is why was Joe so asleep at the wheel that these labs weren’t shut down and all the stuff inside them secured BEFORE Putin invaded? It wasn’t like it was a surprise…..we knew for weeks that it was going to happen, which means those in DC knew for MONTHS…..Another failure of this administration, which has had nothing but failures and missteps. How is it possible that the three top people in our Government: Sleepy Joe, Word-Salad Kamala and Crooked Nancy Pelosi (who is still buying millions in Tesla stock) are incapable of telling the truth and that even if they did, no one could understand what they say, as their communication skills are so abysmal. And the entire world is watching!
TheNationalPulse has a run-down about surprise, Hunter Biden’s money ties to an investment fund (Rosemont Seneca) that is mixed up with these “biolabs”. SF-based firm Metabiota was the instrument and of course John Kerry’s boy and the Obama administration were involved. I found another site 21stCenturyWire with an incredibly detailed analysis comparing the facts to what Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov has said.
But MediaMatters is right on it:
“A version of a false conspiracy theory about Ukrainian biolabs that holds that Hunter Biden is connected to those labs was spread by the Russian government, Chinese state media, and Fox News host Tucker Carlson, after supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory and users on far-right message boards pushed the claim.”
You can find plenty of other links about. The Bezos Post has one too. They say nothing to worry about.
It has only taken them about two weeks to go from:
1) There are no United States funded biological Laboratories in Ukraine.
to…
2) There are US funded labs in Ukraine. However, they are there to destroy biologic agents left over from the fall of the Soviet Union, 16 years ago. They are not working on biological weapons.
to…
3) There are US funded labs in Ukraine, working on biological weapons. However, those biological weapons are defensive in nature.
I am getting so sick of being lied to by my own, federal government.
Weapons have a couple of purposes. Deterrence and killing. Secret bioweapons labs, by definition, are not deterrents. So what’s left?
And who cares anyway? It’s not like the US ever killed anyone with bioweapons, right?
What’s a “defensive biological weapon”?
I know this is off topic, but why is it Democrats hire such ugly/manly looking women like Deborah Rosenblum ? 🤮